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9/11 spam isn't so fun

November 12, 2006 Leave a comment Go to comments

Cruising around the MT blogosphere I see I’m not the only one who received a bit of 9/11 conspiracy theory spam. I imagine it’s all from the same person, with the IP address of 69.3.84.145, which appears to be from the San Jose, CA area. A Google search reveals lots of similar comments.

I haven’t decided whether I’m leaving it up or not, as it’s somewhat entertaining, but is only a step above spam.

It’s almost worth debunking, actually. Except it’s mostly already done here.

UPDATE: Enlightenment, your comments were caught by SK2 (probably due to the number of links and the repeated postings). I restored the ones I could find in the logs. It would serve you well to calm down and remember some of us have jobs where we can’t attend our sites at all times.

UPDATE 2: I decided to delete the pointless insult from Enlightenment on the post following this one. Also, sorry to those he decided to spam out of impatience.

Categories: Skepticism
  1. Enlightenment
    November 13, 2006 at 6:13 pm

    First of all, it isn’t spam; just because something has a lot of html links doesn’t necessarily make it spam. The links are there for a reason.

    Secondly, “almost worth debunking”? There is none of it that CAN be debunked whether you think it is worth it or not. By all means, try to “debunk” it and see how far you get. As far as entertaining, it is pretty damned entertaining to see someone so afraid of an uncomfortable truth that they would rather wedge their head that much farther up their ass instead of trying to be an adult and realize that not every bit of news one receives in life is good news. Some of it is scary. Like finding out your own government did 9/11. But scary and uncomfortable does not equal false. Believe me, I wish it was “Islamic terrorists” that did it; that would be a lot less scary than our own government. But sadly the facts just don’t bear that out; the “official” myth doesn’t hold water and doesn’t pass the smell test. Try actually READING what I wrote; if you can see all the numerous holes in the “official” myth that make it not just highly unlikely but downright IMPOSSIBLE, yet still cling to it, then you are very much in denial and I would really feel sorry for you. Because it is pretty sad when someone wants a myth to be true so much that they are willing to completely ignore a mountain of facts that contradict it simply because it is psychologically “safer” to swallow the “official” pack of lies. Pretty sad.

  2. Enlightenment
    November 13, 2006 at 6:16 pm

    P.S.– Your so-called “debunking” site is a laughable piece of shit. It doesn’t “debunk” anything any more than the Popular Mechanics bullshit does. Nice try. But try actually THINKING FOR YOURSELF.

  3. November 13, 2006 at 7:53 pm

    I wasn’t talking about the links. I was talking about the fact that you posted the exact same comment on countless posts with little relevance to the topic at hand.

    I’ve seen all the claims you made before. I actually believed them for quite a while. I believe I saw an article with the sort of satirical mocking of the consensus view in your comment a couple years ago. Then I looked up more information, sought out other opinions, and discovered that what you’re advocating is completely baseless. Not that that should have any effect on your opinion, but you can knock off the crap about me wanting to believe otherwise.

    I should note, critical thinking is not calling something bullshit after a quick glance because it doesn’t fit your current opinion. It’s also not attempting to bully those who disagree with you with condescension. That’s a pretty lame and transparent debate tactic.

    Let’s test your critical thinking skills. You say “not even ONE got his name on any of the flight manifests.” Now, go read this, noting especially the Boston Globe story where they specifically state what seats, according to the manifests, the hijackers were sitting in. Come back and make an argument that your statement is still correct (that’s an argument, not insults) or retract it.

  4. Enlightenment
    November 14, 2006 at 12:50 am

    One problem is that there have been several different flight manifests by different “news” networks and they don’t match up and there are a few too many passenger names, some of which are apparantly fake. See:
    http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=65

    Another problem is that the government did autopsies on the Flight 77 remains yet there were no “hijackers'” bodies. See:
    http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/03-17-05/discussion.cgi.58.html

    However, according to the government DNA was found for 3 people that were not ever even claimed to have been ON Flight 77:
    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/16-nov-2005.html

    Something else to think about is that some of the “hijackers” turned up alive days later. See:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

    One would assume then the F.B.I. didn’t have all of the correct “suspects” initially, but now the F.B.I. is sticking by its story that all 19 that it named are the “hijackers” even though that is a physical impossibility:
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix_up_of_911_terrorists.htm

    But hey, the F.B.I. admits that it has no hard evidence even linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11, so what do you expect?:
    http://forum.afghansite.com/index.php?showtopic=9349

    By the way, if quibbling about the flight manifests is the best you can do then you are really grasping at straws. There are some things that I didn’t even mention (and neither does that half-assed “debunking” site, for obvious reasons). For one, Bush not being whisked away by the Secret Service immediately from Booker Elementary after being told of the second crash, meaning he and his Secret Service chief had to have known Bush was not even a possible target on 9/11 for him to be allowed to linger in that vulnerable location for over 35 minutes after being told the news (and even have a press conference there!). No, sir, what is “completely baseless” is the ridiculous “official” myth that defies the laws of probability, forcing you to “believe” in a huge pile of astronomical “coincidences”, as well as “collapses” that without accounting for demolitions defy the laws of physics, not to mention the impossible cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air, the magic “indestructable” passport, et cetera, et cetera…

    (And take the Kinda-captcha thing off, on my monitor the numbers or whatever it is don’t come up).

  5. Enlightenment
    November 14, 2006 at 12:53 am

    You fucking pussy, the Kinda-captcha thing is now enabled so I can’t post. Real mature douchebag. Here is what I posted in response:

    One problem is that there have been several different flight manifests by different “news” networks and they don’t match up and there are a few too many passenger names, some of which are apparantly fake. See:
    http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=65

    Another problem is that the government did autopsies on the Flight 77 remains yet there were no “hijackers'” bodies. See:
    http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/03-17-05/discussion.cgi.58.html

    However, according to the government DNA was found for 3 people that were not ever even claimed to have been ON Flight 77:
    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/16-nov-2005.html

    Something else to think about is that some of the “hijackers” turned up alive days later. See:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

    One would assume then the F.B.I. didn’t have all of the correct “suspects” initially, but now the F.B.I. is sticking by its story that all 19 that it named are the “hijackers” even though that is a physical impossibility:
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix_up_of_911_terrorists.htm

    But hey, the F.B.I. admits that it has no hard evidence even linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11, so what do you expect?:
    http://forum.afghansite.com/index.php?showtopic=9349

    By the way, if quibbling about the flight manifests is the best you can do then you are really grasping at straws. There are some things that I didn’t even mention (and neither does that half-assed “debunking” site, for obvious reasons). For one, Bush not being whisked away by the Secret Service immediately from Booker Elementary after being told of the second crash, meaning he and his Secret Service chief had to have known Bush was not even a possible target on 9/11 for him to be allowed to linger in that vulnerable location for over 35 minutes after being told the news (and even have a press conference there!). No, sir, what is “completely baseless” is the ridiculous “official” myth that defies the laws of probability, forcing you to “believe” in a huge pile of astronomical “coincidences”, as well as “collapses” that without accounting for demolitions defy the laws of physics, not to mention the impossible cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air, the magic “indestructable” passport, et cetera, et cetera….

  6. Enlightenment
    November 14, 2006 at 11:15 am

    Hey douchebag, how am I supposed to respond when you changed the comments process to now have a Kinda-captcha device with blacked-out numbers so I cannot post? Sounds like somebody isn’t too confident in the “official” story after all.

  7. Colby N.
    November 14, 2006 at 3:50 pm

    Just checking to see if the comments work, that guy you are referring to is trying to post a response to you at my site, claiming he isn’t allowed to here.

  8. November 14, 2006 at 4:42 pm

    Yeah, same at wrongdog. I am going to delete them because he calls you a foul name.

    Not only are they silly, they are OT.

  9. November 14, 2006 at 6:08 pm

    Yep, he posted the same thing at my place just now. Should we have a group delete?

  10. November 14, 2006 at 7:42 pm

    I have tried to make cell phone calls from airplanes. Never had any luck. But this guy Enlightenment posted at our place too, so I’m flattered that we’ve been included in the Spam attack. That’s better than no traffic, and we get alot of that.

    Now on to more important things – do you think KeFed will release a sex tape of Brittany?

  11. November 14, 2006 at 8:16 pm

    I asked you to provide a counter argument to what I linked to. A counter argument shows some knowledge of what was said in the original argument. For example,

    One problem is that there have been several different flight manifests by different “news” networks and they don’t match up and there are a few too many passenger names, some of which are apparantly fake. See:
    http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=65

    That site lists a bunch of victims lists cobbled together from press reports and some official sources, as those sources were attempted to get confirmation (and of course hinging on the families who didn’t want their loved ones names released). You have confusion, not conspiracy. None of them are from actual passenger manifests. The report that claims to have the official manifest, the Globe report, has the hijackers and their seats. Restatement of your original point is not an argument.

    Continuing on, your next point is answered here. Also, just think about what you said. Why would the government not include them? They could easily just have put the names on their, nipping this argument in the bud, in the service of maintaining the cover up. They didn’t, and their absence is completely explainable.

    The claim that the hijackers are still alive is easily explained by name confusion.

    I chose the manifest issue because it’s not that complicated. We have manifests and they have the hijackers on them. It’s a claim you made. If you don’t think it’s important, why include it?

    We can talk about something more important, if you want. How about the collapse of the towers? You say:

    Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers’ magical powers or explosives.

    First, the towers did not fall at free fall velocity. This is easily shown by pictures like this, where debris forced out the sides of the tower is clearly below the building level it came from (notice the arcing dust plumes tracing the path). Calculating the actual fall velocity is made difficult by the fact that there’s a cloud of smoke obscuring when the tower hit the ground.

    Second, if you’ve taken any physics classes, you know that it’s often very counter-intuitive. Our perceptions were shaped for every day occurrences, not spectacular events. The falling velocity should not decrease as the towers fall. Yes, they shed energy, but they gained energy as gravitational potential energy is converted to kinetic energy. The more mass the falling floors build up, the more velocity will be conserved as those floors bust through each successive floor (that’s the law of conservation of momentum). So, you have acceleration due to gravity and less and less velocity being lost due to the impacts with lower floors as the towers fall. That’s a recipe for acceleration, which the towers did.

  12. November 15, 2006 at 6:59 am

    My favorite analogy for these guys is that they use the same methods that the administration used in the run-up to the Iraq war.

    Many of their “facts” are based on single, unverified, and unreliable sources. But in movies like “Loose Change,” they are presented to us as unmitigated truth. (for instance, the CIA met with OBL in Saudi Arabia)

    It’s mostly hogwash, and people are right to ignore it. Don’t want to give these guys any more credit than they deserve.

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