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My name's Mace, bitch!

Ahem. Profanity in the title. I’ve broken new ground. Anyway, a “Dr.” Mace Baker came to speak here last Thursday and Friday. Kyle and I thought about going and asking some pointed questions, but we did not, and it appears we weren’t missed:

What I witnessed on Thursday was a complete anomaly of other seminar talks given in the university setting. Traditionally, the speaker is introduced, welcomed and allowed to speak before conducting a question-and-answer session. On that evening, however, the audience demonstrated the distasteful art of rudeness. Members of the audience became extremely focused on interrupting Mr. Baker’s talk, thus distracting other critical listeners as well as sidetracking the presentation.

When the question-and-answer time arrived, I expected questions of intelligence regarding directions we might take in restructuring our textbooks or how inaccurate information is on public record for an inordinate amount of time. While a few members did engage in this inquisitive and respectful dialogue and even offered additional resources of information, many openly laughed or mocked the responses that Mr. Baker gave rather than politely disagreeing. Some even became argumentative rather than offering a constructive debate.

I kinda wonder about her portrayl. She seems sympathetic to Baker’s aims, which is enough to make me suspicious.

Baker appears to be a bit lacking in the credential department. Biola University, where he got his B.A., is a small Bible college in California, and is only accredited in Music, Nursing, Psychology, and Theology. His Ph.D is from Pacific International University, which appears to be an unaccredited (with the best explanation of that I’ve seen), online Christian university. One that only offers Doctorates in Doctor Ministry, Biblical Studies, Theology, and Philosophy in Theological Studies. Who knows where he got his M.A. from. I’m under the impression that all accredited universities have to make Ph.D’s available to the general public to some degree, so Kyle called them. They don’t appear to have much of a staff, because no one was there to answer the phone on a Thursday afternoon. No answer at Baker’s number either. It’d really be funny if his Ph.D was on the level of Ken Hovind (who just had his house raided by the IRS).

So the Christian Challenge (what challenge? Do they have an obstacle course?) brought a completely unqualifed speaker to speak at a university. It’s like them bringing me to speak on agricultural economics. Only I can tell a cow from my ass.

Categories: Religion, Science
  1. May 6, 2004 at 2:22 pm

    Hi Jeff:
    Thanks for giving us a place to post. Coupla questions. Breaking new ground by cussing in your title does not sound like you’re getting more conservative in the strict definition of the term. Also, I am confused by your layout. Did you mean to have the second paragraph also in italics? Maybe it’s my browser. Could you use quote marks in case the html goes funny?
    Another thing, I have not researched this guy’s degrees, but I appreciate your doing so, however, have you heard of home schooling? There’s a concept behind it that people can research subjects without going to government schools. I am a sympathizer to home schooling, even tho never been/never done. Too bad the audience didn’t want to listen to what he had to say first. It means they wrote him off before he started. If you read about the debate between Lincoln and his opponent–I forget his name– they debated for hours and even took a break and went home in the middle of it. Why aren’t university students trained in this any more? Seems like patience is a long lost art.

  2. May 6, 2004 at 6:54 pm

    Thanks for giving us a place to post. Coupla questions. Breaking new ground by cussing in your title does not sound like you’re getting more conservative in the strict definition of the term.

    Um, ok, I said so?

    Also, I am confused by your layout. Did you mean to have the second paragraph also in italics? Maybe it’s my browser. Could you use quote marks in case the html goes funny?

    Italics means I’m quoting something, and yes, both paragraphs were supposed to be that way. You can always check the source link if you think I italicised something that shouldn’t have been.

    Another thing, I have not researched this guy’s degrees, but I appreciate your doing so, however, have you heard of home schooling? There’s a concept behind it that people can research subjects without going to government schools. I am a sympathizer to home schooling, even tho never been/never done. Too bad the audience didn’t want to listen to what he had to say first. It means they wrote him off before he started. If you read about the debate between Lincoln and his opponent–I forget his name– they debated for hours and even took a break and went home in the middle of it. Why aren’t university students trained in this any more? Seems like patience is a long lost art.

    I’m suspicious of home schooling in general, mostly because of the people I’ve seen doing it. Maybe I would be more sympathetic if he was home schooled and got the equivalent of a Ph.D in biology, but he didn’t. At best he has a B.A. in biology, the school he went to for a Ph.D doesn’t offer anything science related. Creationist argument are well known and have been rejected by the scientific community and the vast majority are easy to dismiss by someone with a high school biology class and some extra reading on the subject. I know they’re fond of making themselves out to be the modern day equivalents to Copernicus, but that’s just a rhetorical flourish to hide the fact that they have no evidence for their beliefs.

    Like I said, I’m not sure exactly what happened, since I wasn’t there. I tend to think she’s exaggerating some, but who knows. That said, he’s not saying anything new. Any biology professor has heard Creationist arguments and found them laughable (and Creationists won’t dispute that, which you can see by the fact that they attack the scientific community as being dogmatic).

  1. August 19, 2004 at 6:39 am

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