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Me vs. 9/11 conspiracy theorist

It ends with a bang. Also, there is some question as to whether the notification times NORAD lists are correct and that my “took longer to get off it’s flight path” statement is kind of silly. And maybe the claims about Andrews. Eh, I’m not looking good. This seems to be a good essay on it.

Jeff says:
Hi

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
hi

Jeff says:
I read your post on Metalforums.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
nice

Jeff says:
Got something for you to read: http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/2002_06_01_mckinneysucks_archive.html#77997492

Jeff says:
I’ll be on a while if you have questions about it or anything (I didn’t write, just to be clear)

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
you’re trying to tell me the government didn’t know that plane was gonna hit the pentagon and it was 10 miles away from it?

Jeff says:
I’m saying the base 10 miles away is a National Guard base. Not a plain military base. The National Guard is not up and ready 24 hours a day/ 365 days a year.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
It was 10 miles away from 2 bases

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
both carrying F-12 Fighter Jets

Jeff says:
What’s the one besides Andrews?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Check my post

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
DC National Guard I believe

Jeff says:
That’s Andrews

Jeff says:
The DC Guard is based at Andrews

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Its not the same building, they are close but both have F-12 fighter piolets

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
What Day was September 11th?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
of the week

Jeff says:
Uh, Tuesday, I think. The National Guard is one weekend a month, two weeks a year. It doesn’t have pilots everyday.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I’m pretty sure Radar works on Tuesday.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
This isn’t the mail.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Add to the fact, the planes shut their radar off way before reaching the pentagon

Jeff says:
Yeah….

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
or transmission…my bad.

Jeff says:
So?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
So? You’re trying to tell me we can meet a golfers private plan with Jet Aircrafts in under a half an hour and yet not notice a major commerical airliner was going to hit the pentagon?

Jeff says:
Read the link I gave you.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
this is a major government building buddy, you can bet your ass people are watching it.

Jeff says:
And read the NORAD response times.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I’m not trained in decoding a NORAD message.

Jeff says:
FAA Notification to NEADS 0840*
Fighter Scramble Order (Otis Air National Guard Base, Falmouth, Mass. Two F-15s) 0846**

Jeff says:
6 minutes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
They turned off the transmitters before 6 minutes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
before they hit

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Infact, they had over an hour for the second plane on WTC.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Somthing doesn’t add up. Common sense just tells you that they had to know what was going on.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Unless America is only vunerable on Tuesdays

Jeff says:
It says the FAA notified NORAD at 8:40, eight minutes before the first plane hit. They scrambled 6 minutes later.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
it’s a lie.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and keep in mind this is Andrews Air Force base…this isn’t no one weekend a month job.

Jeff says:
Yes it is, they do not have pilots there every day.

Jeff says:
” The unit has about 1,400 people, most of whom spend one weekend each month at Andrews for scheduled training. A smaller, full-time contingent maintains the day-to-day operations as a framework that supports the full-time flying training mission.”

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
They don’t have people on Radar?

Jeff says:
The FAA monitors air traffic, not the military base.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
” Approximately 20,000 people live and work at Andrews”

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
20k people live and work there.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and they had no idea.

Jeff says:
They aren’t all pilots.

Jeff says:
The Guardsmen are the pilots, they have civilian lives, day jobs.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
So out of those 20k people, 0 piolets were available from that base? What across the other states the plans traveled through without transmittors

Jeff says:
You said they turned off their transmitters 6 minutes before.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Never said that.

Jeff says:
NORAD was notified 8 minutes before.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Read what I put.

Jeff says:
Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
They turned off the transmitters before 6 minutes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
before six minutes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
as soon as they highjacked the planes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
they were off

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and they flew, free as a bird

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
to their destination

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
because the air force doesnt work on tuesday

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
please.

Jeff says:
What are you talking about? Planes were scrambled. Just not from a GUARD BASE.

Jeff says:
You’re essentially saying the entire FAA is in on the conspiracy.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
4 planes, no transmitters. None of them get intercepted by jets.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Thats not weird?

Jeff says:
It’s not unprecendented, read the link I gave you.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Who knows how many bases they flew over

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
lol, I see.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Can I ask you a question.

Jeff says:
Yeah, you really notice airliners flying over your base, and know they’re off their flight path.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
if I’m staring at radar, I see a plan heading towards the pentagon without a transmitter i’d tend to do somthing about it

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
But since its tuesday, its my day off…I dont have to?

Jeff says:
What are you talking about?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I’m saying, its impossible for the government to “not know”

Jeff says:
Andrews doesn’t monitor air traffic.

Jeff says:
They don’t have flight plans.

Jeff says:
They don’t know if planes are off the flight path.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
The Air Force doesn’t monitor Air Traffic? They have fighter jets and its their job to intercept all untransmitted airplanes

Jeff says:
FAA notifies NORAD then NORAD notifies a base to scramble.

Jeff says:
Besides, Andrews is a Guard base, with no full time pilots.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and the FAA had no clue that 4 planes were flying off paths?

Jeff says:
Like I’ve said over and over.

Jeff says:
Like I said, they did, they notified NORAD.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
That doesnt explain the 2nd plane. 1st hit, an hour later the 2nd one hit.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
they had an hour to get that 2nd plane

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
but wait, I forgot..its tuesday and there’s no piolets anywhere near NY

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Full hour

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
to do somthing

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
nothing.

Jeff says:
No, the second one hit 15 minutes later.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
then it would have been the hour between the pentagon and the 1st plane

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
there was an hour inbetween an impact of one of the 4 planes

Jeff says:
50 minutes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
yes

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and they had no idea.

Jeff says:
Between first and third

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and they had no idea?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
give me a break.

Jeff says:
That one took longer to get off it’s flight path.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
No excuses

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
A plan hits why wouldn’t people look in the sky to make sure that shit isn’t happening?

Jeff says:
And anyway, they didn’t intercept a plane taking off without authorization for 45 minutes in another instance.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
what other instance?

Jeff says:
A plan hits why wouldn’t people look in the sky to make sure that shit isn’t happening?

What do you mean?

Jeff says:

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2060825

Jeff says:
It was in the link I gave you.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
oh god that meaningless republican link>?

Jeff says:
Oh for crying out loud, Slate isn’t Republican.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
The one from the Mckinneysucks.com domain?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
yeah i’m sure thats a great source for information

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
“Mckinneysucks.com…fair and balanced”

Jeff says:
It has sources, do you think it’s worse than whatreallyhappened.com or tenc.net?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I Dont visit the sites, wouldn’t care.

Jeff says:
That’s where your info comes from nonetheless.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
naw.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
hey did you read my post

Jeff says:
TENC.net put that shit up a couple days after 9/11.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Did you read the part where I said “Add me to MSN and we’ll debate 9/11 till 1am in the morning?”

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Oh wait no you didn’t because it wasnt there.

Jeff says:
You could have just told me to fuck off.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I wanted to be nice about it.

Jeff says:
Then you could have politely told me you didn’t want to discuss it.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I mean you’re obviously less intelligent, I was trying to save you some feelings. 4 Jets get hi-jacked, all hitting at different times and we have no idea whats going on? Please. That is so ignorant its sad.

Jeff says:
LOL

Jeff says:
You can’t defend your views so you attack me? Classy.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
My views have been defended

Jeff says:
Um, heh, no.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
You havent actually proved anything

Jeff says:
Neither have you, all you have is speculation in the first place.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
You give me a Mckinneysucks domain and expect me to totally worship it

Jeff says:
No, I expect you to read the sources.

Jeff says:
You seem to worship other sites, why is this one bad?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
What sites do I worship?

Jeff says:
Where did you get the info?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
k, you dont know.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
So you have no idea.

Jeff says:
I know sites that have it, but I dont’ know specifically where you got it from.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Its not speculation. You could never, ever convince me airforce bases dont have piolets on tuesday

Jeff says:
For fuck’s sake, NATIONAL GUARD BASES don’t.

Jeff says:
Do you know anything about the military?

Jeff says:
There are other bases besides National Guard bases.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Exactly.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
ty for proving me right

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
those 4 highjacked plans never passed into their radar?

Jeff says:
Find me a closer base than the one the planes were scrambled from.

Jeff says:
FAA monitors air traffic, I told you.

Jeff says:
Military bases do not.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
The air force does not monitor air traffic.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I see

Jeff says:
They have no way of knowing when planes are off the flight path.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
see I was confused that the airforced had piolets

Jeff says:
So, they can’t know a plane is hijacked.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
but since it is tuesday

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
they didnt

Jeff says:
Are you actually reading what I’m typing?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Remind me to rob a bank next tuesday okay?

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
maybe the cops will be part time

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
and they wont notice

Jeff says:
I’m going to explain it again.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
No.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
you’re not.

Jeff says:
Fine.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I didnt ever tell anyone to message me for a clean conversation for 9/11

Jeff says:
Then tell me to go away.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
I’ll do you one better.

Bush is the Anti-Christ says:
Fuck off and die of AIDS.

Jeff says:
lol

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  1. Fate
    March 31, 2004 at 10:45 pm | #1

    What did you learn today? Jeff: Not to argue with 12 year olds

    I have to say that I might actually with some of what he was saying if he made any sense at all. He doesn’t seem to have any idea how to support his beliefs or maintain any semblance of a valid argument. Hell, even the Campus Crusade for Christ people can spin and lie and follow good old Schopenhauer’s “38 Ways to Win an Argument.” I sometimes get frustrated and rant with no clear point when I’m tired and pissed offat the right. But I’ll at least make more than a half ass attempt and supporting my argument or I’ll step down from the argument and invite debate at a time when I’m better prepared.

  2. April 1, 2004 at 12:39 am | #2

    Well, here’s the thing, a lot of what he was saying is true. NORAD and the FAA failed miserably. The system didn’t work like it was supposed to. If he had actually researched his views he could have owned me on the facts of the matter. But it’s a long way to the gov’t attacking it’s own citizens. And they back it up with the Northwoods memo, which is from the Kennedy administration, while attacking Republicans. Kind of nonsensical. He also completely failed in understanding my points, even if they may have been off. He retreats to trying pretend I’m naive and he’s being realistic, which is the only tactic you really have when you’re a conspiracy theorist. You attack people for not making the connections you see, no matter how silly and tenous they actually are.

  3. April 2, 2004 at 6:25 am | #3

    You’re a far more patient man than me …

  4. October 14, 2005 at 12:16 am | #4

    Please do not get the idea this jerk represents the Truth Movement. At this point, the Truth Movement has drawn individuals from liberal and conservative groups, from all faiths and religions, and those lacking same. Never before has such a wide, diverse body of completely opposing beliefs and interests (in most other spheres) come together to SIMPLY ask for the Bush Administration to come to a point where it will quit never shutting the um, h-e-double-toothpicks UP about September The Eleventh EXCEPT when a few questions are asked at which point there’s ALL KINDS of silence. THAT is what’s wrong. Innocent until proven guilty? Yes. Motive, means, opportunity? In spades, hearts, diamonds, clubs and little orange marshmallow stars, just for starters.

    The only site I’d recommend is http://911truth.org as it seems most free of unnecessary political biases – or as free of such as is possible, given that it is never possible to express ourselves without bias, unless we lose all feeling and lose what makes us human.

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